@Gargron what do you think about the possibility that this might be an attempt to start an "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" attack?

While this seems to be awesome news at first glance, I'm a bit afraid that Meta is bringing bad to the Fediverse 🤔

@Gargron as in, like what Microsoft did with email and many more open protocols (may they rip), and Google and Meta themselves did and do with the (once open) web? History repeats, I’d say. Embrace. Extend. Externinate.

@Gargron Most of the people I see on Mastodon are old. FB users are old. Maybe they're just going where their market is going.
I don't see a huge youth movement here.

@Gargron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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That's great, keep them out of here.

@Gargron My fear is that they just see that platform as another way to gather data like „who communicates with whom“.
There‘s a good reason I avoid everything that‘ connected with Meta.

@Gargron We shouldnt let our guard down. The Meta Empire will colonize the fediverse and shape it in their own image. Just like how Spotify colonized the file sharing movement.

We cant be tolerant of those who wants to colonize our communities.

We need need to resist the imperialists!

We need to ban imperialist instances.

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@Gargron Sorry, but what I see is:
Meta is looking for a way to pour all its hate, lies and propaganda (and ads of course) into our beloved social system - to the effect that lots of people here will pull the plug, which in the end will leave Meta as the still No.1.

@Gargron counterpoint: Google's Hangouts (however it was named then) used to be an interoperable, federated XMPP thing.

Then one day they turned off interop, and suddenly you had a wave of "dude, let's move over to Google's instance so we can keep chatting?"....

@Gargron Remember what the web was like at first: just some academics and people with personal sites. Then venture capitalists saw the potential and now we have the web of Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc. Heck, in some countries, people get Facebook free with their phones. The Internet IS Facebook for them. I’m not saying we can avoid it here but we can delay it by not legitimising them. At least the Trojans had the decency to hide in a horse… least we can do is not lay out a red carpet for them.

@Gargron It's only a way for META to not die like Twitter and others in the past.

A way to get more and more personal informations from everyone in the Fediverse even if we don't want to create an account on their services.

META is evil !

@Gargron zuck zuck activitysuck

If Meta joins the Fediverse, I suspect their primary objective will be to siphon as much data as possible out of it. What keeps them from simply following everybody? Or, say, building a search engine, which many here don't seem to be a fan of? Many instances would probably block them, leaving the connection to the biggest player flaky. How many users will rather stay on Meta's side?

@Gargron It is a validation, but I find it impossible to believe they’re not working on ways to lock people in. This may also be a ruse to stifle competition and then abandon the development altogether. Everything they’ve ever done shows they can’t be trusted.

@Gargron that sounds a bit too much like “If Microsoft is really working on a web browser”

@Gargron I feel the same way, it'll at least give their users more visibility on the world outside the garden. You never know, some might leave because they find it isn't as scary or hard as they thought.

We should really only be concerned when they (the big tech corps) try to push themselves on to the rest of us through trying to hijack the protocol or flooding out ads.

That is something that we should be looking at locking down now rather than later

@Gargron It's clear that more and more users want to free their data from one single service provider and move to services where they can import and export their data. This news from Meta about using ActivityPub/Mastodon is a great sign for future interoperable services.

@Gargron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

@Gargron the problem with welcoming large corporations into open systems and standards is the old "embrace and extend" ethos. They will start to push for changes that don't "fit" with the Way Things Are Done, and people will say no, and they will say "ok" and implement it on their side. Then their users will start to complain that features used by meta users don't work properly elsewhere, and meta will say "well look, why don't you ask your server to implement ..."

@Gargron Yeah, but I still don't trust it