@Gargron "and also when they show up we're going to block them like a cat running full tilt into a glass patio door", yeah?

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Even better, if we like what Meta is doing (har har, I know), then we can choose to pay attention to them.

If we don't, we don't.

@Gargron @nyanotech that said we should definitely still fediblock on announcement to avoid any risk of EEE

@Gargron I'm not 100% on board here; I see this as much an opportunistic move to siphon Twitter down, nip Blue Sky AND possibly attempt (however stupidly) to try the user capture they did when they supported then didn't XMPP.

But maybe I'm just paranoid.

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or, it could be FUD vaporware

Hey long as these buttons are here I'm not gonna complain

@Gargron With respect, why does the ecosystem here need validation from Meta? It stands, and is just fine, without it.

@Gargron @jake

@Gargron,

Historically, the most ardent wall-garden builders (or siloists) evolve into open standards champions, once their monopolies implode—since there’s no other path to survival.

Open Standards always win out, eventually—and this reality is about to reshape the #SocialMedia realm too!

#ActivityPub is doing its thing 😀

@Gargron it won’t be ActivityPub-powered. It might speak ActivityPub — which is very different. Because it will speak it a little bit. With strange incompatibilities and glitches. And weird extensions. Sending you on wild bug chases and distracting you. Exporting only the boring stuff (e.g. to see videos you have to be logged into their app.) While they build features you can’t easily match because they have 100 people on the team.

@Gargron it'll be a gigantic Mastodon server that that harvests personal data and interactions, shows ads to users, and probably tags posts with text ads. They'll have to monetize it somehow, so I expect them to come at us with a variety of innovative bad behavior.

@Gargron Three years ago, Jack Dorsey, co-founder of Twitter, started doing something similar at Twitter.

@Gargron It doesn't matter what dying cruft like Facebook does, it matters that even the worst culprit of centralized social media sees the change we have seen for awhile.

That's a great signal.

@Gargron That’s nice but there’s no money to be made unless they change the game and pollute the fediverse

@Gargron if facebook is doing that then facebook is in much deeper trouble than they are letting on. Microsoft only went open source friendly when the world started rejecting their proprietary server architecture. Facebook must be in the same sinking boat.

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Why do people call it "Meta" anyway? Call it what it is...

Fakebook...

Or as I call it the dark surveillance capital machine with no accountability or transparency...

@Gargron will there be dancing in the activity pub? Is there a strict dress code?

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I can't even start to explain how much trouble I have had on that phony site...

Got a ban once for 30 days for using the term "white trash" in reference to a meme. LOL. They called that hate speech, even though I found quite a few videos on YouTube with that title...

Got a ban once for suggesting a friend and I might smoke one if we met up. And we both live in Colorado where it is legal...

I still go there just to connect with the local disc golf community and even that feels dirty.

@Gargron based af :linus:

@Gargron Think of what the big corps did to other decentralized networks. Jabber/XMPP was adaopted, used to be interoperable, then locked back down again. Email? Try running your own infrastructure and not end up in some big corp spam filter blocklist.

I'm not saying it's a bad move per se. I'm just not sure if it's beneficial in the long run.