@owenniblock @GrumpyMark this is what I do too, like I can compose a scene well enough to know there'll be a shoulder roughly here on the page or whatever, but I can't see the picture in my head clearly enough to know the details. I have to draw a draft and refine it, if I'm drawing anything unfamiliar or front an interesting angle. I mean some of that's just practice but if other people can see the whole thing before they start drawing tbh that feels like cheating