@darius it reminds me of @marick podcast episodes about experimental and theoretical physicists https://podcast.oddly-influenced.dev/episodes/galison-s-image-and-logic-part-1-the-stickiness-of-experimental-tradition and https://podcast.oddly-influenced.dev/episodes/lakatos-on-what-persuades-scientists-to-risk-their-careers

One side is making an argument about ideology and the other is probably arguing from within a paradigm.

@darius @sasha and a related problem is a lot of devs just don't understand the concept of consent