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I've made a deliberate choice against a quoting feature because it inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for "good" like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way. No quote toots. Thank's

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Sewzinski

@Gargron I love this. Thanks.

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2y

@Gargron I very much agree. I’m really glad that feature doesn’t exist here. I hated *subtweets.*

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K E N N Y

@Gargron no thank you!

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marcfbellemare

@Gargron Thanks for that. The QT function is the main driver of toxicity over at the Bad Place.

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@Gargron Making decisions is nec and good. Decision made, fair enough. But I can't help but point out that the justification for it is full of holes. Sure quoting can be used for ridiculing awful comments (I wouldn't call that good btw), but it can also be used to avoid pulling replies off-topic, muddying the discussion. I often used quoting to give people their space and avoid confrontation. There are also great features in Mastodon that can be abused. Tech is just a tool.

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@Gargron it's a good decision. For whatever reason QRT became the "hey look at this asshole" function and overall a negative way to interact.

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Kwanza

@Gargron Never thought about it that way but you make a strong argument. I support no quotes.

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Christina Hendriks

@Gargron I actually like this, I admittedly would behave out of character due to that feature. It also sent mobs after people through quote tweets from large accounts. This keeps people responsible, and maybe a bit kinder.

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juneb

@Gargron I'm a professional tech writer. Need my help in the repo?

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jigbean

@Gargron I was wondering and kind of like that it is on purpose and not just "didn't bother". 🤗

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Shoq

@Gargron But quoting IS replying. It's simply including the thing being referred to so people don't have to seek it. A bare reply is often ignored. If someone wants to abuse, they will, but I've never see it done by serious people. Perhaps we can have this debate on a #tag to see my point. I'm fairly confident most Twitter alums will agree.

#QuotedPostsOnMastodon

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Bricin

@Gargron I’ve requested it a few times and while I understand the rationale I very much want the ability to see a post, boost the post, and say something about it ie “here is why I think this is interesting” and get engagement from my community.

Maybe that is a different mechanism to avoid the negative behavior. Forward + comment sort of. Which is what I wind up doing manually.

Thanks for taking the time on this entire project.

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Peter Flynn ✅

@Gargron That sounds like a good idea, but when it gets to long threads with many subthreads, can there please be an icon or menu entry that says "show root toot" that will get you back to the beginning?

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lstmpsmdrns💉💉💉

@Gargron @osc Yes, and people can reply and then boost/RT their reply anyway! Much less toxic

I've never understood the QT feature, it also makes many convos unreadable when it's repeatedly used

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@Gargron I don't approve of all design choices in Mastodon but this is one I pretty much 100% agree with

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דובי שם

@gargron as if manual rt wasn't how retweeting started in the first place...

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Dónal O'Flynn

@Gargron So we're prevented from quoting other posts just because some people use the function negatively? Retweets began as just the letters RT before a copy-and-paste. What's to stop people from doing that again here? Absolutely nothing. Except that it's clunky and just having the ability built-in would be much more sensible.

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