@Gargron Honestly, I'd be more for quote posts than turning off replies. Turning off replies is how people put disinformation out while limiting the ability of others to comment. I think its one of the more problematic things the bird site ever did.

I see corporations and hateful people limiting replies far more often than I see it from any other group.

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Sounds great! An account wide preset combined with granular control on each post would be nice.
It's sad that quoting on Twitter was often used in a bad way, but sometimes I just want to post a "Hey, look at this artist!" with a bit more context for my bubble. It works without quoting but it feels like when you're in a conversation and can't pull out your phone to quickly show people what you're actually talking about.

@Gargron very Important that it can be disabled

@Gargron
I don't have strong feelings either way. I tended to use it on Twitter in a positive way: perhaps to support an opinion, or often to boost a new initiative or book, giving my opinion on why it's worthwhile. However, I have seen too many pile-ons started by QTs, and I quite understand why many people here are against them.

So if it is introduced, I think the default should be opt-in. Make it as easy as possible for people to have a good experience.

Thanks for listening.

@Gargron More than just opting in on having your posts quoted, I hope we will be able to opt out of seeing them in our Home timeline. One of the under discussed worst aspects of quote tweets is mutuals using them bring stuff you try to avoid into your timeline. Like popular accounts you don’t necessarily want to block or mute, but don’t follow, but since folks want to add their two cents there they are.

@Gargron I am making good use of the filter to hide bird site links and would really appreciate a tic-box there to opt out of seeing quotes or being (ab)used via quotes. I appreciate that others would see it more positively though.

@Gargron as a victim of harassment, I strongly support quoted posts.
Users will always be cited by people at other instances by copying and pasting the post URL. But if I am not warned about it, I cannot check if the quote is a loyal comment or plain defamation.

@Gargron As a first-pass, the privacy setting of the post should be sufficient: if the post is public (i.e not unlisted, not followers-only), then it's fair game for QPs. If, for whatever reason, the original author wants to limit access after-the-fact, then changing the privacy setting for the post from public -> unlisted would achieve the desired effect

From an implementation standpoint, QPs could be implemented as a fully-rendered embed of the output from the /embed API endpoint

@Gargron But in true 2022/2023 fashion... Make it a poll that only Patreon members can vote on.

(This is a joke btw, please do not draw your pitchforks 🙏 )

@Gargron At the user level, the instance admin level, or both?

@Gargron
How about opt-out for replies, opt-in for quote RT?

@Gargron
Not sure how that would help, you can still quote post with a screenshot and that doesn't address if someone retracts or edits a post. I'd rather have that chance to fix or clarify a post the someone quotes then just blocking it.

What's the logic in blocking quote posts?

@Gargron could you make it default off and an opt-in instead of a default on and an opt-out? That way only people who actively choose to be quoted can do so?

Default behaviors have a way of taking root in a technology - and default off would fit with the status quo that people have come to expect.

@Gargron yeah I would expect it to take some time to implement this in a better way that adds the right friction / boundary-control points

@Gargron could you also please make it so that a quote-boost of a public toot CANNOT be locked/private or instance-only? I think that would do the most good toward reducing harm and discouraging the negative use cases seen on Twitter.

@Gargron I think a default setting for QT with ability to also granularly permit our own posts to be QT (or not) on a post by post basis.

But also from the perspective of a reader to have the option to NOT see QT on our feeds, in the same way we can toggle off seeing boosts and replies and edits in our feed. My experience on Twitter was QT use made content repetitive and difficult to filter out, so personally, I prefer to toggle QT posts off and not see QT posts on my feed. 😊

@Gargron Could instances choose to disregard the opt out setting though? Then it becomes moot with all the issues that can follow? I get that quoting is convenient but the same can be achieved with a bit less convenience and by using the link to a particular toot?

@Gargron Please look at issue 20673. It's got a lot of noise but good work on how the logic for this could work. See my comments (buried somewhere near the middle at this point) for good summary.

@Gargron Does this need a change in the ActivityPub protocol or can this be a mastodon only change? (Sorry my technical understanding here is limited)

@Gargron I remember why you did not want the quote posts and I still think you was right.

I understand that Twitter users feel more comfortable to be on a similar "environment" but this is not Twitter and some of us we are here exactly for that.