@Gargron I'm still not a fan tbh, but we'll adapt like with any change. Personally I strongly favor an opt-in rather than opt-out. Maybe run a poll on those options? 😎

@Gargron If so, than also opting out for BEING quoted please.

@Gargron can it be made into a fifth level of visibility, a bit like:

Quotable
Public
Unlisted
Followers-only
Direct

That way, If I want to allow something to be quoted far and wide, I can set it accordingly.

@Gargron this sounds like the best compromise to me

@Gargron this seems like a measured and reasonable approach, thank you. As a Johhny-come-lately, QT is the one thing I miss the most from my near decade on the birdsite. In my fandom community, we mostly used it to boost while gushing over the thing we were boosting, or to add our perspective to a thing we saw. I get that it can be abused, but with the real live moderation here, that kind of bs can be nipped in the bud, and we could be free to gush in peace. 🥰🥰🥰

@Gargron
Please make it opt-in for every user. Also allow instances to disable or/and filter quote posts. Thank you.

@Gargron I sympathize with the argument I've seen that it feels like the added portion to the quoted post adds very little, usually. But I think that it's no less trivial than any given random user's sparsely viewed posts anyway, and alas, I and clearly many others are still trying to find a way to share posts and our replies to them in an intuitive way.

One way I've seen is someone replying to a post and boosting their reply. On birdsite, replies and QTs were super separate threads, but maybe on Mastodon they could be implemented as a type of reply that simultaneously boosts (at least from a UI design perspective) both posts together? What I mean is a reply that shows in my followers feeds and displays the replied-to post above it, thread style. Perhaps this could also help with the issue of implementing permissions controlled by the original poster.

@Gargron I would leave, quote posts are a tool of bullying and harassment, and nothing more

@Gargron can you opt out seeing quote toots? Because they often are performative acts of anger. "See how angry i am about this toot". Not seeing this kind of content is the main reason for me to stay here.

@Gargron But I think that's part of why it's important to implement it. There are plenty of people, including myself, talking about putting in some sort of patch that server owners can install to allow this sort of quote-and-reply boosting, and even a couple of implementations that have been done. One of the problems is that people who for whatever reason don't want that happening can't opt out, and another one is that there isn't a standardized method for it. I think having the central repo add it would do a lot in terms of setting a standard, even if people continue to make alternate versions: at the very least, I think we'd respect that opt-out feature.

@Gargron
Strictly my only experience with social media is Facebook ... but that is considerable ... I've joined Mathstodon and find it terrific ... being amongst a math/etc community ... I also love connecting to the cutting edge of politico/social activities ... so I've 'followed' some Mastadon users, which I like very much, but they can be heavy 'boosters', which is ok, but Maths posts are being diluted in my stream ... is there a way u can filter things so I see their posts but not boosts

@Gargron if anything, make it opt-in. I still don't think we need it though, I like the current pattern of reply + boost, it keeps it in the conversation.

@Gargron I was for quote-posts but when I read the reasonings of others I reconsidered. Opting in makes more sense imo. It should be off by default, with folks having that option turned on if they want.

The biggest risk is reproducing the worst of Twitter which was when people (myself included) quote-tweeted extremists to respond to them or dunk on them, inadvertently boosting them instead of actually stopping them. I hope that won't be replicated on Mastodon.

@Gargron

If it can be linked, it can be quoted. Not exactly rocket science.

@Gargron Please don‘t start the hate spiral.

@Gargron haven't read ever reply but I would suggest, if one one has already, to implement an option for admins to disable such feature for an instance. Maybe even prohibit other instances from quoting.

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I'm surprised. I would have assumed that post-Gamergate (2015) insights about the undesirable social use of QT to encourage dogpiling etc. would become solidified following the Infodemic (2020), Jan6 (2021), and the disclosures made by FB civic integrity PM and whistleblower Haugen (2021-2022). Just last week, this article specifically pointed to QT as a problem, and to decentralized social platforms as our hope: https://theswaddle.com/how-the-internet-ruined-our-passion-for-politics-and-how-we-can-get-it-back/

@Gargron I like this idea a lot!

@Gargron agreed that it's not entirely trivial ... glad to hear that you're looking at it.

@Gargron sounds like a good compromise.