@marick Sounds plausible to me.

OTOH middle management is traditionally adept at maximising its own role in any organisation. I worked on public sector IT projects that adopted Agile (allegedly). I recall attending daily stand-ups that lasted 45 minutes (midmorning for max disruption) with 30 people, of whom at most 10 were directly involved in development. So it may be true that early Agile could have engaged more with managers. But I wonder if the result would really have been very different?

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Noel Rappin

@hengymrohebwlad @marick In... 2005 I had a middle manager at [big company known for six-sigma] tell me that they could never do an iteration shorter than five weeks because you needed to factor in time to do the requirements for each sprint and then the testing at the end of the sprint to validate that the sprint was successful.

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Noel Rappin

@hengymrohebwlad @marick I've also been in 45 minute standups.

I think my longest regularly scheduled iteration planning meeting was four hours every two weeks. Usually ran long, too.

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