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I've made a deliberate choice against a quoting feature because it inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for "good" like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way. No quote toots. Thank's

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technoshaman001

@Gargron Would you reconsider this thought? It's a nice feature.

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Adam Dalliance

@mxtthxw - who boosted Eugen's post.

You gotta know he's muted that thread *years* ago and none of the recent commentators are talking to each other. Just to him.

All just replying to the thread, including only Gargron as a CC, and he definitely has it muted. Surely.

They're not even replying to each other.

I guess some people must be reading recent replies. I skimmed a few.

Quote-tweet function is not up to Gargon of course.

If you want it you can have it!

There are Mastodon forks that include it, and there are other ActivityPub systems which use it too!

You can even embed a post from mastodon in another mastodon post if you just copy/paste the URL of that post.

Are they doing the Fediverse equivalent of a quote-tweet, and doing a reply which they themselves boost?

The three randomly recentish ones I looked at hadn't done so.

So i guess not.

Unless you check their instance you'll won't know. Your local instance just might not have seen the boost. I sampled only three.

Anyway. What I'm saying is, almost everyone talking on this thread is talking to /dev/null right now except you and me. Coz I actually included someone who hasn't muted it yet.

And nobody else will see it unless you boost it.

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Ben Aveling

@Gargron

Seems sensible.

Contrast the other place, where people have the option to block replies (PPE against toxicity), but not to block QT (Elimination of toxicity).

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Thoralf Will πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

@Gargron Yet another reason found why quoting is actually a useful feature:

When I have a toot in a different language, it would be great to quote the original toot as a reference.
Starting a discussion in a completely different language within the existing thread makes no sense and is just annoying people.

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@Gargron wise choice

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Helen Shaw

@Gargron it does reduce the performative aspect of quote tweeting. Something we've all be prone to!, but talking to someone is hard more significant.

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Luna πŸ‡©πŸ‡°πŸ¦Š //nullptr::live

@Gargron I’ll probably be adding quotes to our fork of mastodon since it’s simply too useful when it comes to showing support between users. The benefits outweigh the downsides for us =w=

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BjΓΈrn Larssen

@Gargron I always added my take when QTing and you're right – that's performative, not a discussion. Never thought about it this way!

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Lars Karlslund :verified:

@Gargron very different thought for lots of newcomers, but I'll give it a chance.

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Chris Pitts

@Gargron Makes perfect sense now I think about it. I think it is what helps make this platform what it is

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(the real) Didi B. ⭐️

@Gargron Too bad. I just wanted a great Toot booster with the phrase "a good one". For something like that, quotes are still great.

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Thomas L β€’ Vegan-& Netzpolitik

@Gargron
Your argument is valid but i think it seems not thought to the end.
AFAIK here on Mastodon IT IS welcomed to boost content from others - and sometimes you just want to add your own words to that.
May be to present this to your audience or to classify it or to show your (dis)approval.

I personally often want to boost a post, but at the end i do nothing because i don't like to present it "blank" (without my opinion).

Quoting does not necessarily have to be used in a negative sense!

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Scali

@Gargron I'd quote-toot this if I could

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Michel van Baal

@Gargron late to the party, but excellent decision πŸ‘πŸ‘

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gecata1988

@Gargron That's interesting

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Gabriello Protti

@Gargron I like all the thinking of Eugen

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Joerg Droege

@Gargron I am not sure whether this is a good decision, users who miss this functionality may be less inclined to switch from Twitter to Mastodon or stay here in case the situation at Twitter evens out.

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funky4lyf

@Gargron Speaking to your audience is an important feature in social spaces and while quoting has its pitfalls, it has immensely good uses in previewing/summarizing content you want your audience to engage in(threads, gofundmes, important announcements, etc). Performativeness, or even dogpiling, will happen regardless of features available.

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Atlantisblauw

@Gargron Lol, it's funny you call that 'doing it for good'. I thought that was one of the worst things, spreading toxic tweets for everyone to see with a snarky comment. So much negativity.

I only miss it sometimes when I want to add some context to a tweet about how it relates to my own life or why I find it interesting. Like boosting a tweet about a book and adding what I liked about it. But there are workarounds, I can live with this.

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