@darius https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323837#8445293

@darius enjoy!

@darius @casey i always assumed... i guess a giant terrifying monster behind the car?

@darius @garbados it feels, somehow, like this would be one thing if the conceptual model here were just "a protocol", but the reality is that it's "a place", and the unfortunate truth is that there are not sufficient tools *or* social structures available to wall off the ecosystem of utter shitbags.

@darius there are caveats, as with anything - some stuff is pretty stale on stable (i know a lot of people run testing or unstable instead for this reason), some stuff needs to be grabbed from outside the main apt sources or installed/built from whatever lang-specific package manager - but it's really predictable, i know everything super well, and i find the slow update cycle a good way to manage the rate of change.

@darius in some ways i use it for reasons of being almost anti-interesting, but i always feel kind of obligated to plug the "debian stable is actually a pretty great desktop" POV, having pretty well migrated everything back to it after some years of ubuntu on laptops.

@darius @erincandescent it seems like it's probably not a sustainable way to do anything! which is a realization i am very uncomfortable generalizing from!

(but here we are i guess.)

@darius thanks / goddammit

@darius @danhon if you get some recent enough text in there for it to say "learnings" a lot, you've probably got a winner on your hands.

@darius this does look like it goes some distance towards making lists actually usable. nice work.

@darius if you get enough marks in a room with some reference material, maybe they can convincingly simulate the communications of a dude also named mark but he speaks a second language.

@darius @b0rk me not clicking through to the thread on the other server strikes again.